Note: This probably isn’t the BEST fact. But since Jason owns 1/3 of my heart…yeah.
this post has a couple little things that are common misconceptions about jason, so i’d just like to clear some things up here.
despite what dc wants you to believe, “jason was not well received by the fans” isn’t an objective truth. there are fan letters in batman and tec talking about how they preferred jason’s post-crisis origin and how they loved the character. so clearly not ALL (maybe not even MOST) fans didn’t like jason. robin’s always been dumped on by fans, tbh, so the dissent wouldn’t have been new.
what this secret doesn’t mention is that jason was particularly poorly received by the creators. starlin in particular fucking hated jason and tried to write him into a story where he was given AIDS before the Death in the Family story panned out. when he took over, he started writing jason deliberately obnoxious—trying to get readers to dislike him.
jason never had a shot.
there’s also the fact that death in the family was set up so that the only logical way it could end was with jason’s death. that means starlin and co just wanted to kill him off, but blame the fans for any backlash. some readers just voted to kill jason to see if they’d really do it, or because it was a better story if jason died. there’s evidence that some guy voted to kill jason over a hundred times. there was fraud all over the place. PLUS, some kids were too young and didn’t have parental permission to call in. it was a really unfair and unbalanced poll.
despite all of that, jason’s death won by .7%. or look at it this way—these numbers mean that 5271 people actively tried to save jason todd. if you’re indifferent toward a character, if you’re bored of him, if you don’t care about him, you’re not gonna vote either way, right? or you vote to kill him. 5271 people cared enough about jason todd, loved him enough, to vote to save him, regardless of what would have been a better story. think about that.
Actually, using the vote count to gauge overall feelings towards Jason either way doesn’t really work. Most fans just didn’t vote because DC charged them to call in. So, maybe there were a lot more people who wanted him to die, or a lot more who wanted him to live, but they just didn’t vote.
Another reason why votes aren’t an entirely fair way to gauge overall feelings: When the contest was announced DC got negative reaction from people who:
1) Assumed Robin was Dick Grayson.
2) Disliked the idea of killing a child in a comic book. (They got a lot of bad press for this one at the time.)
3) Felt Robin should never have been killed off no matter who was wearing the mantle due to the fact that they grew up with the character.
4) As the person I reblogged this from said, and I’d like to reiterate, fans had to pay to vote. 10,000 votes isn’t even a good poll of the today’s readership let alone in 1988.
They had received a lot of Jason hatemail back in the day. Sure they received fanmail too, but mostly hatemail. It was why they decided to hold this poll in the first place. He was incredibly unpopular with readers and they wanted to remove him from the series. They weren’t really sure how though. O’Neil had wanted to do a poll of some sort to interact with fans for a while. He was told if he did it that he had to do something significant. They decided to kill Jason because he was incredibly disliked, and it’d be significant to kill off Robin. You don’t decide to write away or kill characters with only a vocal minority of hate. If this was something where fans assumed the character was disliked and killed for that reason I could understand, but O’Neil and the guys at DC are very open to the fact that Jason was horribly received for various reasons.
Personally I’m just really sick of this poll being used as proof that Jason wasn’t as disliked back then as some think. It’s a faulty argument. There was more to this poll then just “Do you like Jason or hate Jason?” You can’t just look at numbers from a call in poll and say “Oh well he wasn’t THAT unpopular!” He was unpopular. Yes the poll was close but, as I said above, there were a number of other factors to it.
I know there are a lot of Jason fans out there. That’s great. I have no real ill will towards him. He’s an okay character. Not my favorite, but I like him enough I guess. I’m a bit conflicted at times and my opinion shifts but that’s not really important right now. What is important is that people need to accept and understand that even if he’s liked now he wasn’t in the 80s.
Source: fuckyeahsuperfacts
Because they always underestimate kid’s thinking capacity.
… I say that it’s going to be hard for 9-12 year olds to follow or care about because it’s getting hard for ME to follow or care about.
It’s just that CN doesn’t give a crap about me. It only matters what those 9-12…
I can say that if I were a 9 year old boy again I would have enjoyed this way more then season 1. It had everything I loved at that age. Nightwing, no stupid romance being shoved down my throat, timeskips, Lobo, Nightwing, Batman, Tim Drake, lots of action, aliens, and as many comic characters as they could fit. I don’t think a single thing in this episode didn’t hook me when I was that age. All it needed was more robots and Bart being added to the cast and I’d never have to watch anything ever again. EVER. This was seriously everything me and my friends loved about shows at that age.
I really didn’t find it as confusing as some did… All we seem to have lost in those five years is a bit of growing up and adding to the cast. The invasion itself took that time to build. Some ships were disrupted but I personally think shipping is dumb anyway so whatever. Kal, Wally, Artemis, and Roy were no shows but they’re not dead… They’ll appear later. This episode did little things to set up the new status quo. It gave everyone a little something to do. It set up for the next 19 episodes.
Personally I liked it more then I liked most of season 1.
Blue Beetle, Nightwing, Cassie (Who I personally prefer to Donna. Words can’t express how much more even. But hopefully she’s written like she was in classic YJ Cassie and not Teen Titans and above Cassie… That’d be upsetting… So far it looks positive though.), Tim Drake, hints that Jason is dead, Rann, Tim Curry, Godfrey, Nightwing being over protective of Tim (Bringing the entire league as backup was great.), Guy being mentioned, Lagoon Boy, Rann, Adam Strange.
I don’t think there was as single thing I didn’t love about this episode. It was a well written status quo episode. The first half gave everyone new a little something and gave Tim, Lagoon Boy, and Jaime a bigger something. It’s meant to leave you wanting more. And it left me wanting more. And most off, this is actually the first time a comic cartoon made me really feel like I was watching a comic. A big really built up universe in the background of a core cast. Really excited for both next week and learning more about the new cast.
Source: jokerofish
Where Zinda’s getting drunk and partying, where Liana, Scandal and Knockout are married and rearing a little hellraiser toddler, where Creote and Savant are enjoying a sandy beach somewhere, where Dinah and Barbara and Helena are still best friends and where Ryan Choi is heading up the Justice League.
Dang, I just became a fanficcer. ;)
In my head Lian is still alive and she’s reformed Young Justice with new Green Lantern Milagro Reyes, and Irey West. Later Damian, and Christopher Kent (who gets to be a kid again so its not creepy…) join on up. Jai is there too sometimes! …Sin Lance can be there too since she’s in this nice picture!
And they go on Adventures. And Damian complains a lot about everything!

Credit: http://elfgrove.deviantart.com/art/New-Young-Justice-183066939